{"id":373,"date":"2021-04-09T18:00:23","date_gmt":"2021-04-09T17:00:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?p=373"},"modified":"2021-04-09T18:00:23","modified_gmt":"2021-04-09T17:00:23","slug":"remote-phosphors","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/?p=373","title":{"rendered":"Remote Phosphors"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I became aware of remote phosphors recently through a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7fRjMHtnShs\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7fRjMHtnShs\">video on laser headlights<\/a> by mikeselectricstuff where he shows a piece of remote phosphor in passing at about 5 minutes in. I&#8217;d never seen this material before and it got me interested in having a play around with it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For a bit of background, there&#8217;s not really any such thing as a white LED. LEDs are essentially monochromatic as a result of the quantum mechanics which underpins their operation, which makes producing white light with an LED alone essentially impossible. One way around this is to use a red, green and blue LED in combination but by far the most common way to produce white light from LEDs is to use a blue LED and a yellow phosphor: the phosphor absorbs some of the blue light and re-emits is as various longer wavelengths, which appear as yellow. The combination of blue and yellow appears as white. The phosphor is typically embedded within the package of the LED. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-2 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"377\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=377\" class=\"wp-image-377\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1-2048x1518.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164257-1-1980x1468.jpg 1980w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"378\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=378\" class=\"wp-image-378\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1-2048x1518.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_164332-1-1980x1468.jpg 1980w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption\">The phosphor on the chip is what makes the LED in my Ikea lamp (left) and the light bulbs on my ceiling (right) to look yellow when switched off.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Remote phosphors don&#8217;t substantially change this, except that the phosphor is separated out from the LED. One potential advantage of this is that the remote phosphor acts as a diffuser, giving the light a softer glow and more even light distribution. Another is that they essentially remove the influence of the emitter on the quality of the light produced: if a remote phosphor is used, the phosphor gives the same CRI regardless of what blue LED is used behind it, allowing more flexibility with component substitutions. I bought a few <a href=\"https:\/\/www.digikey.co.uk\/products\/en\/optoelectronics\/optics-remote-phosphor-light-source\/123\">Intematix Chromalit<\/a> parts from digikey to have a play around with. The effect is really bizarre, as you can see below.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-2 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-2 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174207.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174207-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"381\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174207.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=381\" class=\"wp-image-381\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174207-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174207-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174207-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174207.jpg 1052w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174200.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174200-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"380\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174200.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=380\" class=\"wp-image-380\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174200-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174200-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174200-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210331_174200.jpg 1052w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption\">A bunch of 5mm blue LEDs, with and without an Intematix Chromalit CL-827-ELP30-PC bulb. It was really trippy to watch the light change from blue to white as you add the bulb!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>My first target to make use of this technology was some LED downlighters which came with my flat. These are pretty awful, producing flickery light.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_172409.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_172409-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-382\" width=\"292\" height=\"216\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_172409-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_172409-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_172409-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_172409-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_172409-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_172409.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 292px) 100vw, 292px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I thought these were GU10 or MR16 but actually when I took them apart I found that the bulbs are some strange proprietary type called G40. Despite being apparently purpose-built for LED bulbs, the fitting seems to suffer all of the failings of LED retrofits: the compact form factor places hot LEDs next to a hot driver circuit, reducing the reliability of both, and the lack of space leads to insufficient decoupling and large amounts of flicker. This seems like a stupid design decision when the ceiling space gives ample opportunity to separate out the driver.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-2 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-3 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185607.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185607-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"383\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185607.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=383\" class=\"wp-image-383\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185607-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185607-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185607-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185607-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185607-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185607.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185613.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185613-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"384\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185613.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=384\" class=\"wp-image-384\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185613-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185613-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185613-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185613-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185613-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210329_185613.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption\">The fitting and its original bulb: an 8132 5W G40 lamp, produced by tp42.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I ordered some 5W blue LEDs and a constant-current driver module off aliexpress and fitted these in the original fitting. The phosphor I use here was CL-927-LR-PC: 90CRI at 2700K so it should produce a very good quality warm white!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-3 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-4 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131038-1024x759.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131038-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"386\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=386\" class=\"wp-image-386\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131038-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131038-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131038-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131038-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131038-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131038.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131149-1024x759.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131149-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"387\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=387\" class=\"wp-image-387\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131149-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131149-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131149-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131149-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131149-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131149.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131242-1024x759.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131242-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"388\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=388\" class=\"wp-image-388\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131242-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131242-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131242-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131242-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131242-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131242.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131322-1024x759.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131322-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"390\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=390\" class=\"wp-image-390\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131322-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131322-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131322-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131322-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131322-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131322.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131358-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131358-1-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"392\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131358-1.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=392\" class=\"wp-image-392\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131358-1-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131358-1-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131358-1-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131358-1-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131358-1-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131358-1.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption\">For an initial test, everything&#8217;s held together with parcel tape! I had to cut a little bit of the phosphor off to make it fit. Anyway, looks like it&#8217;s all working fine.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-3 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-5 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131759.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131759-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"394\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131759.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=394\" class=\"wp-image-394\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131759-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_131759-300x222.jpg 300w, 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href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133151.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133151-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"397\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133151.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=397\" class=\"wp-image-397\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133151-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133151-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133151-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133151-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133151-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133151.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133349.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"759\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133349-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"398\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133349.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=398\" class=\"wp-image-398\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133349-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133349-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133349-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133349-1536x1139.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133349-1200x890.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_133349.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption\">The remote phosphor is glued down with gorilla glue and weighed down with a watering can while the glue sets! I tried scratching off the paint in the fixture to improve thermal contact from the LED but without much success. The LED&#8217;s bolted down with two woodscrews and some thermal transfer compound.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-3 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-6 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135647-759x1024.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"759\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135647-759x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"399\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=399\" class=\"wp-image-399\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135647-759x1024.jpg 759w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135647-222x300.jpg 222w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135647-768x1036.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135647-1139x1536.jpg 1139w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135647.jpg 1186w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 759px) 100vw, 759px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135548-759x1024.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"759\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135548-759x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"401\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=401\" class=\"wp-image-401\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135548-759x1024.jpg 759w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135548-222x300.jpg 222w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135548-768x1036.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135548-1139x1536.jpg 1139w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135548.jpg 1186w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 759px) 100vw, 759px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135915-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"759\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135915-1-759x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"404\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135915-1.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=404\" class=\"wp-image-404\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135915-1-759x1024.jpg 759w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135915-1-222x300.jpg 222w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135915-1-768x1036.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135915-1-1139x1536.jpg 1139w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_135915-1.jpg 1186w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 759px) 100vw, 759px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><a href=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_174643-1-rotated.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"759\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_174643-1-759x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"405\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_174643-1-rotated.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/tempblog.m0tei.co.uk\/?attachment_id=405\" class=\"wp-image-405\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_174643-1-759x1024.jpg 759w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_174643-1-222x300.jpg 222w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_174643-1-768x1036.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/IMG_20210409_174643-1-rotated.jpg 780w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 759px) 100vw, 759px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption\">Installed. Success!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m pretty happy with the outcome, at least for a first attempt. The quality of the light seems good, although what isn&#8217;t obvious from the photos (given the camera&#8217;s auto-exposure) is that it&#8217;s not quite as bright as I&#8217;d hoped. I used a 600mA LED driver with a 2x series LED package, for about 3.6W. The light it replaced was 5W. I&#8217;ve ordered a larger 3x series LED package and a driver to suit it, so in the future I&#8217;m going to have a go at upgrading the LED. I think I might also need to have another look at the thermal design. The transfer from the LED package to the fitting case doesn&#8217;t seem great. I&#8217;m hoping I can find some way to scrape off the paint and improve contact.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Having done this, I&#8217;m inspired to have a go at using this material for some other projects: it&#8217;s also available in strips, which I think I might use for some under-counter lights in my kitchen.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I became aware of remote phosphors recently through a video on laser headlights by mikeselectricstuff where he shows a piece of remote phosphor in passing at about 5 minutes in. I&#8217;d never seen this material before and it got me interested in having a play around with it. For a bit of background, there&#8217;s not [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-373","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/373","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=373"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/373\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":407,"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/373\/revisions\/407"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=373"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=373"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nothinguntoward.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=373"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}